Sam Harris

I mean, many charities are not really committed to, or at least they're not incentivized to truly solving the problem they're addressing because fundraising on some level is predicated on that problem still existing next year.

Do you see any way in which the best of intentions are exacerbating or maintaining the problem in place?

What can the governor do to

implement the right policies should the right policies be obvious.

I imagine you're a governor of California.

What would block you from being able to share this wisdom effectively at the city level?

But when you say the teachers union is very effective.

At what they do.

So I hear this as an obstruction that for whatever reason, the governor hasn't been able to break through.

I mean, why hasn't Newsom done all of the things we're talking about?

That specifically, is that related to the homeownership versus renting problem in California?

Can you put a date to this change?

I mean, when did this disappear?

Right, right.

Well, what's your view of rent control and how much rent control is there in California?

But if each turn of that regulatory ratchet was justified and presumably is justified if you just focus on it once again, you know, as though for the first time, how do you change that system?

Well, I'm hopeful that eventually the spirit of pragmatism and basic sanity and intellectual honesty is going to have to win because reality just keeps getting a vote, whether that's economic reality or epidemiological reality or conflict with genuine enemies out in the world.

So, I mean, I just think you can only delude yourself for partisan reasons or self-serving reasons for so long before you bump into some hard objects.

And I think we're bumping into them.

I guess I would turn that back on you with a question around just the political culture and environment in which we're having this conversation, right?