Sam Harris

We'll take every last one of them.

So you have people who want to disavow someone like Nick Fuentes, and obviously Ben Shapiro is prominent on that list.

But he's disconcertingly alone or nearly alone or surrounded only by other Jews in the Republican Party.

And then you have some very prominent people like Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and even, you know, J.D.

Vance to some considerable degree.

I mean, J.D., the only daylight Vance seemed to want to put between himself and Fuentes was, you know, of the don't talk about my wife variety.

But it's fairly alarming.

You're much closer to these characters than I am.

I don't know any of these people personally, really, except for Ben a little bit.

What do you make of this schism and how do you think it's going to resolve itself?

Christian nationalists, white supremacists.

There's a Venn diagram here of different commitments.

one of the other people in that they want in the tent right like if you if you want neo-nazis in the tent it is a reasonable conclusion looking from outside if you'd like to continue listening to this conversation you'll need to subscribe at samharris.org once you do you'll get access to all full-length episodes of the making sense podcast the making sense podcast is ad free and relies entirely on listener support and you can subscribe now at samharris.org

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