Sam Hawley

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ABC News Daily · How One Nation’s driving a migration rethink · 13 Sep 2026 podcast

Just over 25 years ago, John Howard delivered an enduring line. matched

We will decide who comes to this country, he said, and the circumstances in which they come. matched

But how much control does any government really have over migration? matched

And how has Pauline Hanson managed to push the nation back into a fierce migration debate? matched

Today, David Spears, host of tonight's ABC National Forum on Migration, on whether the system is about to change. matched

I'm Sam Hawley on Gadigal land in Sydney. matched

This is ABC News Daily. matched

David, we're hearing some views from voters there on migration. matched

They're part of this national forum that you're hosting this evening. matched

They're really varied, aren't they? matched

Because migration is a very complex issue and it always has been. matched

Yeah, all right. matched

Well, why don't we consider, first of all, then, how migration became such a key political issue again. matched

And to do that, I think it's good to step back to COVID, which no one really wants to do. matched

But, you know, when our borders were shut for a couple of years, that really had this huge impact on our migration numbers, didn't it? matched

Yeah, it did. matched

And then when the borders reopened, the Morrison and then the Albanese governments, they needed to, well, play catch up, right? matched

So what did we see? matched

Yeah, so just explain to me then, David, how the government decided on those figures. matched

How did it come up with the net overseas migration number? matched

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