Sam Kamani

So there's like the key matrix.

If you get that, everything falls into place.

For some DeFi projects, it's TBL.

Some it's number of users.

It's different.

is different for every project.

So yeah.

So I was just wondering what's your North Star metrics?

That is, I mean, it's totally feasible.

And also I've seen like in a lot of places, they have completely skipped one generation of banking and they have moved straight to the next generation.

generation.

So it's just like growing up in India 30 years ago, 6% of people had access to a phone line.

But then when mobile came, they completely skipped because the landline aspect of things and went straight to mobile and completely skipped a generation.

Same thing is happening in Africa and Latin America.

They never got the banks and the credit card.

So they completely skipped the credit card, made...

went straight to paying through mobile phones, through text messages and other payment methods or QR codes and things like that.

So you sometimes skip a whole generation.

And I can see this happening, that some people will never go to a bank, never move to a bank.

They straight away went straight to DeFi.