Sam Kozlowski

What did that report say?

What was the government response?

Because I think that's important in setting the scene for what then happened on day one up until now of the actual hearings themselves.

Did they give reasons for why that was the case?

So that was all then the backdrop to the start of the hearings themselves that have been live streamed.

Talk us through what we've learned over the past 13 days of hearings.

Talk us through that because that's quite different to a court case, right?

It's been an interesting kind of trait of the way that Australia has done royal commissions, at least over the past 30 years or so, that the start of public hearings is always the

focused on the lived experience of the people at the heart of the issue.

And I remember that was the case with the Royal Commission into Veteran Suicide, the Royal Commission into the financial system.

There were a lot of people who would testify.

And you're right that it's kind of this, it's a very different atmosphere to what you would see in a courtroom.

But that's probably not going to always be the case in this commission when, say, security chiefs are called to the stand and all those kind of things, right?

Yeah.

Like those three recommendations.

A really interesting process, especially for those of us in the news cycle who haven't engaged meaningfully with the Royal Commission before.

Zara, thank you for taking us through that.

Every night.

Actually?

Every single night.