Sam Roggeveen
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first heard Jun 2026
last heard 8 Jul
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Now, whether AUKUS is a good starting point, whether Australia acquiring nuclear-powered submarines is a good starting point for building a navy like that,
Well, that's a different question.
I have strong views on the subject and I tend to think it's a bad idea.
But in any case, that's the direction we're moving in.
Well, indeed.
I mean, look, what we've got to get used to is the fact that China is now already roughly equal with the United States as an economic power.
And the United States in its history has never faced a country, an adversary or a competitor of that size.
So this is a challenge of an entirely different scale.
And what we've got to expect there is that China is going to be a leader and is going to make gains.
But China doesn't have to be the dominant power.
I think it's too late to stop China being the leading power, but it doesn't have to be the dominant power.
If we're smart about it, we can deter China from being too influential over our affairs, over the things that we want to maintain sovereignty and freedom over.
And also the region, we can help the region to achieve that kind of goal as well.
Well, Orcas was announced in September of 2021 when the Morrison government decided that the project to procure Orcas
12 french designed and built submarines which were powered by conventional that is diesel electric motors that that project would be cancelled and instead we would buy nuclear-powered submarines from the united states today i announce a new partnership a new agreement that i describe as a forever partnership a forever partnership
The actual reason why we cancelled the French deal and went with AUKUS instead is actually still a bit of a mystery.
There's a great book to be written on that subject by someone in the future, but no Australian government, I would argue, has yet given a really coherent and comprehensive strategic case for why we switched from the French attack class submarines to the AUKUS submarines.
Indeed.
Well, I would have the world's smallest violin for the French, I must say.
I mean, there's a reason you put cancellation clauses in contracts.
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