Sam Tallent

So how many times do you think you did that?

Countless.

That was straight up my move.

Yeah, because I learned it from punk rock.

We would play only all ages shows, so you would either stay in the venue, you'd stay in the squat, or someone would bring you home and you'd hear them have a conversation with their girlfriend in the next room, and then she'd be loud and he'd be...

You guys got to be out by 6 a.m.

But we had a roof over our head.

And then you had the next day.

And that sense of purpose that you have on the road is so pure.

You have a destination that night.

You have a thing you need to accomplish.

Right, right, right.

And, like, luckily, I read, like, because I came from, like, I really admired, like, SST records, like, early 80s, like, hardcore.

Like, that's where I came from.

And I remember reading, I think it was Henry Rollins' book, Get in the Van, where the first trip he did with Black Flag, they practiced for like two months in L.A.

And they got real good when he joined the band.

And then their first tour date was in Oklahoma and like 12 kids came.

And he was like, fuck this.

Why are we working so hard?

This sucks.