Sanne de Boer

Right, exactly.

I think this is probably true for all over the world.

Definitely here in Europe, we are aware of the Italian mafia for us is something of a little bit of the past.

We think of the American movies that are made about it.

So that's even the American Cosa Nostra, you could say, quite a romantic kind of image.

And also, yeah, I would say at least an Italian problem or a problem that is a little bit of the past.

And the main difference is that that's only around that time is exactly when

The drangheta, like in the 90s, what they also became known for was their horrible bomb attacks and killings of many state figures.

That had a great impact on Italy, of course, and that created a reaction of the state.

They became law enforcement, really targeted the Sicilian clans, and the drangheta took advantage of that.

And they had been clever enough to stay under the radar, to not really engage openly in such killings.

And they took over the cocaine business basically from the Sicilian clans and were very smart about keeping a lower profile.

They became very big in the cocaine smuggling into Europe.

The Netherlands was a big part of that.

We have a lot of ports that have allowed the cocaine to enter, in a sense, into Europe.

So that was their success story in a sense.

Yeah, I could, you could say more serious, more, they're very strategic in that sense.

They really found out the sneakiest way to be, I guess, to be a Mafia.

There's a lot of strict rules.

They're especially cruel to their members.