Sara Imari Walker

But you have to work hard for it.

And that's the I think that's the thing.

Like, I think there's some conception that there's some easy path to harmony and harmony requires work and it requires constant work.

I think debt's really hard because you're constantly aspiring to things.

And you're right.

Like, it's just totally baked in.

Like, you know, even I still have student loan debt from like, you know, it's just like it's like you want to do you want to be.

Yeah.

You just you take on debt.

You try to do something.

But yeah, it's pretty bad.

No, I think mostly people that do, like, it's a choice, right, to actually decide to live that way, so.

And also he knows his life matters every day.

Yeah.

Like I think this is a thing we forget is like, you know, our life is a choice.

And, you know, like and you're fighting for like whatever way you want to live your life.

But we're kind of just in the daily grind.

We lose our connection to that existential reality that like our lives are finite and finite.

I think it really changes your perception of things when you really think about the fact that you have a finite amount of time.

Well, survival's not guaranteed, right?