Sara Imari Walker

But I think, yeah, so when I say I don't believe in magic, it's not that I don't believe that people have personal knowledge or things.

But I think what's more important is like when those things become shareable, they actually become things that we can use collectively.

And I'm much more interested in that kind of knowledge.

It's not that I don't value mysticism or the kind of personal narratives that people have about experiences.

I think those are incredibly valuable and I think that we need those stories in our culture.

It's just for me, I'm much more interested in when do we make those kinds of things regularized in the way that we understand them as really fundamental properties and we can use them and we can share that information.

That's what I like about science because it's like, it's like shareable deep thoughts that are universally usable.

Maybe, but probably explain it anyway just because it's hopeful.

I think everyone has.

I love creativity for that reason because it's so mysterious even to the person having the creative act.

Which is just crazy.

Is the muse like a placeholder for your unconscious brain?

No, no, no.

I mean, I think the unconscious is a real thing.

The reason I'm bringing it up is like so many people are really interested in consciousness and then, you know, like really focused on that.

But part of the reason that, you know, like where creativity comes from and like part of this idea of using intuition to guide how you think about the world, I think is like there's so much happening in your brain that you're just not even consciously aware of.

And I think a lot of the information processing architecture and like where like I've kind of resigned myself to like almost all of my thinking is my unconscious brain and I should just like leave it there.

And if I get an idea emerging out of it, it seems like it came from nowhere.

But it's just it's I'm just not consciously aware of all the processing in my brain.

Yeah.