Sara Imari Walker

Yeah, it's totally crazy.

Like, I mean, if you if you want to think about like, you know, you've got this like crazy stuff on your desk and you took the atoms in those things and you thought about all the ways that you could arrange them, it would fill universes of interesting artifacts.

Right.

Universes.

And like, why is this one sitting on your desk?

Like, why is this the aesthetic humans?

I mean, it's kind of cool, but, you know, like it's crazy to think about how much stuff could exist but doesn't exist because it wasn't selected and evolution didn't build it over time.

Yes.

And so on your question about like humans and like our specialness, I think what is special about us is we're actually capable of imagining things.

some of that space and not just imagining it, but constructing it with our technology.

That was your point about societies and things.

So there is something special about quote unquote human level intelligence or whatever is going on in the human brain.

I don't know if it, whatever that thing is, I think is pretty universal and pretty deep about the structure of reality.

I don't know if it would be in something that's like a human on another planet, but I think our ability to abstract, imagine and create is probably universal.

Again, optimist.

Yeah, I think you could talk about it that way.

And I think people do.

I don't really think that's a useful narrative.

I love us.

Yeah.