Sarah Koenig

And she reminded me when I was telling her about this case, cops are the most skeptical people in the world.

They pretty much assume everyone is lying to them all the time.

Ritz and McGillivray aren't newbies.

McGillivray came from a law enforcement family.

His father had been captain of the homicide unit, in fact.

And Ritz was known in the department and in the state's attorney's office as a skilled and meticulous investigator.

So they're not suckers.

They're taking careful note of the changes in Jay's stories.

It's why they keep going back to him, to clear up the inconsistencies.

In the second taped interview, McGillivary confronts Jay, ticking off a list of the main things he's lied to them about.

And Jay admits to all the lies.

But even so, what struck me is that they don't really press him on any of it.

The most forceful McGillivary gets is in this exchange about the location of the trunk pop.

Jay is saying, What is he talking about?

This is nonsensical.

When he told the Edmondson Avenue version, he was already deeply associated with it.

And if there were cameras at Best Buy parking lot, wouldn't that help his story if they showed Hay's car or Adnan walking around or putting Hay's body in the trunk?

But McGillivray lets it go, moves on to another point.

And just so you know, as best as we can tell from workers at the store and from the former landlord, there probably weren't security cameras in the Best Buy parking lot back in 1999.

And there's certainly no mention of any security footage in the police reports.