Sarah Kopp

But, yeah, I don't know.

There's a lot more that can be done, which is why I'm, you know, I'm trying to push for a lot of –

mandatory training within the education system at the moment as a starting point.

I have to consciously sit back sometimes and remind myself of some of the things I've done.

I'm

I'm pretty bad at just, I just see the end and nothing's good enough until I get to that pinnacle end point.

So I'm really like, I always am sort of like, no, no, we've got to keep going, keep going, keep going.

I haven't hit that point where I can sit back and look at my achievements or things that I've done.

But I have a lot of people around me that force me to take stock of things and take those moments to think about it.

Yeah, well, that's it.

I think you can get a lot out of educating yourself from a professional point of view as well, because you can make sure that you're working within your professional boundaries so that those lines are very clear and we're not blurring those.

The analogy I like to use with...

you know, people working in, you know, these child facing organizations is we want to keep the water clear because if everyone is just like stirring the water a little bit by crossing boundaries here and there, you know, harmless things.

But if we're all doing that, the water's, you know, getting muddy and you can't then see when a genuine predator is doing something bad or wrong.

But if we're all keeping the water clear by staying within our professional boundaries, that's when you can spot that pattern in other people and go, you know, I'm calling that behaviour out.

No, 100%, you know.

For me, like, most of my most favourite teachers as a child were my male teachers.

And I think that was because I didn't have a dad.

Children need great male role models.

So it's certainly not about eradicating men from, you know, working with children, I think.