Sarah Lavis

Like, we need to look at these people, we send them to prison, we go, okay, well, you kind of, there's a program you can do that might get you up for parole, especially first time offenders.

We need to be looking at them and saying, what do you need holistically that will actually help you?

because there's lots of good programs on the outside.

You have to want to do it, of course, but there's lots of men now that do breathwork, meditations, yoga, boxing, like all that real holistic view.

And that's, you know, these people, obviously a lot of them have a past, they have a reason behind it.

I don't think that's a mitigating factor to me in sentencing, but I think it should be

when you go in, I think you should have a program tailored to you and those mitigating factors should be taken into account.

They're the ones who have to decide what programs, the ones who have been through it.

There's no point us saying what's going to work.

I know the government spends a lot of money on programs now, they're not working.

You can't say at 50% in two years they're working.

No.

They're not.

And that's only what they're going back to prison for.

That's not what they're getting charged for.

Well, and we're still having a woman a week murdered.

Exactly.

And that's not even the children that... Yeah.

It's really sad.

And I know...