Sarah Longwell

But so I guess there's the part of me that is, again,

Every successful political coalition that has ever existed has involved, like especially at really fractious times, has involved lots of strange bedfellows, has involved lots of weird coalitions.

So I think you want your coalition to be as big as possible.

And I don't think we can or like we can't like police who everybody talks to, like what you want out of your political leadership.

is you want somebody who's so good up here.

This is why what I was objecting to is the idea that you have to go on someone's podcast to reach their audience.

My point is a bigger point that's much beyond a particular person.

It is, John Ossoff is really good.

He will make me...

and Hasan Piker be like, I support that guy.

Not because he comes to us to reach our audience.

I think we've gotten a little too obsessed with these micro conversations around Joe Rogan of the left or podcasters in general.

Actually, it's about the candidates.

It's the candidates.

Can they show leadership and can we find ways to say I can support that person and can they appeal to a really large coalition for a variety of reasons?

And you want it to be because they're leaning into the thing like the good things, the things that were like, yes, I find goodness in this person.

A lot of people tag into them, not, hey, I hate the same people you do.

Yeah, I would say the main thing is people thought, and this was always my take on it, was Trump could get away with it if it was a really short period of time.

Because if it was kind of an in and out, like the first Iran bombing was.

The first 12-day war.