Sarah Longwell

So they may react in a way that then the rest of the country looks up at some point and says, oh, people who were kind of cool with this are now ringing alarm bells.

And that's what signals to average people that the vibes are souring on Trump.

Or, like, to confirm... I thought you were about to say Kash Patel used to be good, and I was like, Sarah.

Like, I was like, what's the point of you?

What is the point of having those people in there if they're just going to let Trump... Well, RFK Jr.

Well, I was a John McCain Republican.

Like, that's just sort of what I was.

I got to say, though, if we're just going to do some appreciations.

What you do, people are always like, Sarah, I don't know how you sit and listen to the voters.

And I'm like, well, I'm just listening to them and I'm just gathering information.

Like, you have to debate Jesse Waters while he sits there and says things like, you know, just ignore women.

They're just there to be pretty.

And if you just give them gifts, I mean, I would be across the table with my bare hands.

I don't know how you do it.

People don't realize, I think, enough how unusual it is to have somebody like you get access to that audience and be able to just sit there and spit facts for a piece of time where they get an alternate perspective.

And like that is the Lord's work.

Like, that is so important.

And it means you've got to take all of this other stuff in order to be in that position to give the opposing view to people who otherwise would not get it, which just takes a very specific type of person and temperament that I am deeply admiring of.

Because part of the problem for the ex-Trumper or the ex-Republicans is that Trump has...

We feel so betrayed.