Sarah Longwell

Yeah, let's talk about some of that because, of course, I basically learned all about Hungarian politics in, you know, the last week or so and started going deep on it.

And one of the things about the opposition, Petiar Magyar, is that how you pronounce his name?

You can call him Pete.

But he was basically a version of a never-Trumper, right?

He was sort of a center-right.

He used to be in Orban's party, was an actual Orbanist.

for a period of time, who then joined the opposition party and began to lead it, that was an interesting wrinkle to me.

Because one of the things that I think people who are looking at this for the first time might not know is they might assume that Magyar is the liberal opposition candidate, but he is not.

He's sort of a center-right who also was tough on immigration, but he is somebody who believes in liberal democracy.

And so it's not a straightforward question.

analogy to sort of the Democrats rising up in America.

So can you talk about that a little?

Yeah, I mean, some of the things that I read about what Magyar did to me were just fascinating examples of how you do this.

Number one, like you said, Orban controls the media.

And I do want to draw some comparisons to the United States because it is fair to say

to say, and we're going to get to J.D.

Vance in a minute, but it's very fair to say that the Trump administration is actively following a lot of the Orban playbook.

Like I think Hungary, like CPAC went to Hungary.

The conservative right has been observing what Orban has been doing.

And I would say Project 2025 was very Orbanist in what it was trying to accomplish.