Sarah Longwell

But one of the things that Magyar did was he started in 2024, so a couple of years ago,

And because they had shut down like a free press, he went in person all over the country.

He was just – he went everywhere, especially to rural areas and spoke to them directly.

And I think that this ability to think about the fact that Trump is –

of course, buying up the information infrastructure.

He and his allies selling TikTok, CBS, Washington Post.

Like, if you watch that, it is very reminiscent.

But we still have a lot more access to opposition media here in this country.

I mean, by a million times.

So how did he do it without access to the media?

He did it, like, hand-to-hand combat.

He went everywhere and made the case and brought people over to his side.

And I think that that is...

It's almost like an energy thing.

It's the ability to say, if it really depends on it, here's what I'm going to do.

It's shoe leather.

It's going.

It's meeting people.

It's making the explanation.

That level of leadership is really something.