Sarah Longwell

I think there's the wind at the back point.

I also just think that JVL, our great friend JVL, and I have this talk a lot, and when he's doing dark JVL and he's feeling especially bleak, one of the things he's always hitting me with is, Sarah, how are we going to rebuild after this?

How do we ever get back to something after we've cratered our credibility and we've destroyed so many of these institutions?

And by the way, there in Hungary, they did a very similar thing to Doge, right, where they got rid of all their...

the people who ran their institutions.

And it's a tough thing to look at what's happening in America and think, well, how do we get back to this thing that we used to be, right?

Where we had a clear sense of who we were and our role in the world.

And I just think Hungary is a little bit of a slice of hope against that, that you can now, to be fair, I don't want to overstate it, just like you.

You

Then we he says he's going to go dismantle many of the illiberal things that that Orban has done.

But we'll see.

And obviously, America and Hungary are quite different.

The impact of our role in the world is deeply different.

The fact that we've betrayed our values with Trump is like it has just a much bigger impact on everybody else.

So they're not one to one comparisons, but I should and I'd like it to.

It gave me hope that.

What I like about it for America is to see what it means to have people who once voted for Orban, once supported Orban, turn on him aggressively.

And to see that there's this sense in America that we are so polarized, and of course we are, that something like this could never happen.

But I think history moves on, right?

These guys become the old guys.