Sarah Longwell

So like that is the guy.

I've known him since we were in our early 20s.

He's just always been like that.

Only he used to have fake glasses.

Other than that, he's the same.

They were fake?

Well, so he before he was out, he and I worked together like in Republican world and he would wear like a suit to make him look like a big boy and fake glasses that were, you know, not prescription so that he would look like a grown up because he actually, you know, he has the physique of like a 12 year old boy.

He is handsome.

He is very handsome now, which is also annoying for me.

Not me.

No, I'm always shorter.

Actually, it's being now in public where people walk up to you and they say things like, oh, I thought you'd be taller.

And I'm like, me too.

Yeah, I mean, I kept trying to explain to people because obviously I'm in politics all the time.

And so we see lots of things that make us crazy, right?

It's a crazy making time where reality is often denied to us.

And I was trying to explain to them why I felt like this moment was different and so important.

And part of it was the combination of having the real-time video and then like sort of either the social media response or the media response broadly happening.

that became this Rorschach test for partisanship.

And I just... For me, the hard part was watching the government tell a lie in real time while we could all see that the opposite was happening.