Sarah Longwell

And I know Lisa Murkowski.

I mean, I have been in the these are my those were my people for a lot of the Trump administration.

Right.

Is that these moderate Republicans?

I have done things that a lot of things in my private life to support them.

And I am done with Lisa Murkowski.

Like she has done more.

They do more damage now, these moderates in this space, if they don't, because it gives their tacit approval.

Like they're the weather vane for normies of looking to see what is acceptable.

And until they start saying this is absolutely unacceptable and I won't tolerate it, there's a reason the American people look up and say, I don't know, seems kind of like normal stuff to me.

And it's because those elites don't react like the Jerome Powell thing matters a great deal.

Like I said, again, it's not like this massive public issue, but it matters a great deal to a set of elites that were willing to sort of tolerate Trump destroying the country because it might benefit them.

They could be transactional and get something out of it.

And now that that's being threatened, that is meaningful.

Right.

So they may react in a way that then the rest of the country looks up at some point and says, oh, people who were kind of cool with this are now ringing alarm bells.

And that's what signals to average people that the vibes are souring on Trump.

Or, like, to confirm... I thought you were about to say Kash Patel used to be good, and I was like, Sarah.

Like, I was like, what's the point of you?

What is the point of having those people in there if they're just going to let Trump... Well, RFK Jr.