Sarah Longwell

I mean, I think I hear from liberals all the time who are like, this was always who the party was.

And I'm like, I promise you it was not like this is not how John McCain talked.

It is not how the Bushes talked.

I'm not saying that they made every correct policy decision, but they did not hate people.

They did not hate this country.

They had what was best in the country in mind and the things that they did.

Donald Trump does not.

And so anyway, I just, your fortitude is admirable, is my point.

Because if I were part of what's funny to me is the idea of Jerome Powell.

She's like, well, he's not returning my calls.

I just and like I just in my head, I see like the phone going off and him seeing Jeanine Pirro and just hitting like the ignore button.

Yeah.

Well, there's a couple of things in the in the Gallup stuff that was interesting.

I mean, the headline is actually that 45 percent of Americans now identify as independents, which is being driven in large part by young people identifying as independents.

And I think that that is independence always requires some context, because I think people are like, see, those are the people who are like a pox on both their houses.

And I'm like, kind of because there's two things about independence.

One is most of them identify as leaners.

Right.

So they either lean Republican or they lean Democrat.

But part of the other thing, though, is to know that they are not reaching moderates, the independents.