Sarah Longwell

Like, that's the contrast.

I don't know if you know this, but Hunter Biden had a painting.

I mean, I think this ends up being kind of weirdly an academic debate as opposed to a practical one because as a practical matter, use the shit out of all of it, right?

Amplify the fractures in their coalition.

Again, just with the framework of him good, they bad.

You want them to fall apart?

You want to hold your side together.

Right.

I think that, though, people get wrapped up a little bit in whether you have to sort of welcome people into the tent.

This is a phrase where people decide who's in the coalition and who's out of the coalition.

Is there a gate somewhere?

Yeah, I mean, I think, look, there's sort of like...

is something somebody says bad objectively, right?

So I think Tucker Carlson is a malign actor.

I think he is a liar.

I think the reason that he has decided to take on Trump on this issue isn't because he's got super sincerely held beliefs, or maybe he does as part of his worldview, but also he was specifically brought into the White House multiple times, I think tried to talk Trump out of Iran.

Trump went against him.

Now Tucker's going against him.

They're all falling apart.

But, like, Tucker is...