Sarah Longwell

So like when it comes to crime and when it comes to immigration and part of understanding the immigration story is to understand that the way that Trump has told it is not just about immigration.

It is about crime.

It is about economic anxiety.

Right.

Like they're bringing it's about drugs.

Like it's a it's a story wrapped up in a lot of fear that people have.

And so when you're if you're a Democrat, you have got to stop saying that it's all just about being racist.

Right.

You have got to understand, especially if you want a strong social safety net for people.

that that costs money that people have to pay into and everybody can't come.

Like there has to be an orderly system.

There has to be a legal system.

And Americans are not irrational and racist for wanting to have a workable immigration system.

Because the other part of Americans is that they still, with all of Trump's ridiculousness, they still generally think immigration is good and positive.

They just want, and this is sort of the moral alibi here in the focus groups all the time, is they say, I want them to come the right way.

Now, Americans, because they don't have to go through the immigration system, do not know what that means.

They just mean whatever the system is, whatever is legal, where we know who's in our country, come that way.

That is a totally rational and reasonable thing to expect.

It is a totally rational and reasonable thing to say the thing that I pay taxes for the most is so my kids get a good education.

And so there's a police force that protects me from bad guys that are out there.