Sarah Longwell

And people are like, these are out of context.

And then I go and watch the context and I'm like,

they're not out of context.

You just, you have an explanation for why you think these things to be true.

Okay.

Well, that's an academic debate or an intellectual debate.

And we can have that debate.

I'm just telling you, I think those things are wrong.

And I think as a moral line, um, I think that they're not good, but that doesn't mean, um, but the idea that like podcasters can't talk to each other, people can't debate ideas.

Yeah, but people conflate the idea of saying, I think that person's ideas are bad or I object to what that person is saying.

Like I don't think stealing stuff from stores is an act of righteous courage against corporations.

Like I think that is –

I think that's basically you've decided, OK, well, we're just going to opt out of having a society and laws.

And to me, those are illiberal things.

And I'm trying to part of the reason I objected to Donald Trump was the illiberalism of Donald Trump, the violent rhetoric of Donald Trump.

Now, Tom Piker is like a streamer who most of the country doesn't know about.

Well, yeah, he's not president.

Maybe he's president.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, and I think, look, I think grace is good.