Sarah McBride

I mean, they will nothing will stop these people.

in going to extreme ends in their pursuit of targeting trans people other than public opinion.

And I am happy to have any argument at our disposal to defend vulnerable people in this moment.

And some of the most powerful arguments are humorous arguments.

And I am done with dispensing tools at my disposal because they don't hold up under the scrutiny of every single abstract academic argument.

Well, I think I got to that in the response that I gave you, which is like, let's be clear about the motivation for the question being asked in the way it's being asked in the format that it's being asked in, which is clearly an effort to score a point on the backs of trans people while recognizing that there are people who have

Good will and good intentions and have questions and want to understand and might be with me on on 80 percent of trans issues, but not with me on 20 percent of trans issues that those folks still might be curious about.

And frankly, that there are people who will want to know what to say if their family member asks that question or asks that question, again, in goodwill and person, not just completely shutting down the conversation.

I think, you know, what I said earlier about like,

we can acknowledge that trans people exist that this is something that that is real and that trans people are deserving of being treated with dignity and respect and that trans identities trans reality has existed throughout human history across cultures this is not a new invention this is a reality of the the world we live in and of the reality of human diversity

and recognize that there are specific policy questions that people have diversity of thought on, and that we can engage in a reasonable conversation about those particular policy issues.

And I think at the end of the day, for those who come to a different place on particular issues than some trans people,

the fundamental question that they're asking is do trans people think that there is a difference that, that trans women are identical to non-trans women and no two women are the same.

Yes.

Trans women have a different experience on average than a non-transgender woman.

And that there are differences in the lived experience in the policy questions in some cases for trans women versus a woman who's not, who wasn't born trans.

Yes.

And I just think like,

The reality, the existence of trans people is not a philosophical or ideological disagreement.

Trans people exist and trans people have existed throughout human history.