Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hey, everybody. We have a good one for you today. I was delighted to welcome Sarah McBride to the show for the first time. I got to meet her last year at the Bulwark live event. And she's just so good and thoughtful and do stick around for, I think, a pretty stirring and important event. rant that she gives at the very end of the show. I do want to note one technical thing.
We had some gremlins, some internet gremlins this morning that made our fancy audio system that producer Jason navigates to make Everything sounds beautiful and chocolatey in your ears every day. That broke down. So we're using, you know, basement podcast audio equipment today. As such, you know, there are going to be some crackles. And I apologize for that.
And hopefully we'll get that fixed for tomorrow's show. As we were sitting down for the show, Trump was giving an insane speech at Davos. We get into that a little bit. At the top, JBL Sam and Andrew did a full breakdown of that over on the Bulwark Takes feed if you want to check out that as well. Before we get to Sarah, I want to talk about one thing. And –
So I feel a little bit like emotional manipulation. And in some ways, I'm kind of – I'm emotionally manipulating myself a little bit because I do think it's important to make sure we are feeling the reality of what is happening in the country right now. And I think back to –
At a moment of late in the 2016 campaign, when a friend of mine who was a Republican strategist talked about how he was with me on Trump because his daughters, he's Hispanic, his daughters were getting bullied at school and like called a bunch of names and being like, Trump's going to deport you and blah, blah, blah. And that really got me at the time. It stuck with me in a lot of ways.
One, I got very mad on his behalf. And then later, kind of mad that I was more mad than he was, maybe. But that's for another day. And through the first term, through the first year or two, it was something that I talked about a lot. I felt like I'd make fun of myself and be like, I'm like Maude Flanders over here going, won't somebody think of the children? But it was legit, though, also.
This has real ramifications, right? Like, some people just don't believe that politics matters and the president matters. And, okay, that's a point of view. That's not mine. Like, I believe that what the president says matters, that his words matter, and that there is a trickle-down effect through society.
And maybe it doesn't affect everybody, but there are, you know, people out there, young people that are getting radicalized. There are young people out there that are getting bullied. And maybe that radicalizes them in a different way. And there are people that are going to grow up thinking that they don't have opportunity in this world. And, you know, like there will be ripple effects.
You know, there'll be a butterfly effect that, you know, that will... impact us years into the future because these kids that are getting picked on and bullied are going to have lower self-esteem or they're going to get angry or they're going to feel like America's out to get them. And who knows what that ends up looking like. And also, even if it doesn't have a ripple effect, It's just wrong.
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Chapter 2: What are the key points from Trump's speech at Davos?
So I want to play this clip. I was going around yesterday of a kid coming out of a soccer game. Well, let's just listen to it.
Tell me again what the other player told you during games. So the goalkeeper in futsal, he said some really bad stuff to me and it just made me get really emotional. I barely get emotional in soccer. And this guy told me I'm an illegal immigrant even though I was born in America. He said Trump is going to get me and send me back to where I used to live. I was born in America.
I don't live anywhere else. He called me an effing B-word. I just don't get why kids like to say those stuff. It makes me really sad how they just control their power like that. They think they have power. It's just not nice.
The kids are going to be dicks, okay? I see it. I'm coaching basketball now. I see how kids are sometimes with each other. But we should have higher standards for the president and vice president of the United States than a seven-year-old bully.
And a seven-year-old bully shouldn't be taking their material from the president and vice president of the United States because it does hit a little harder. It's a little harder if you're a kid. It's a citizen, by the way, not that it matters. And you're out there. It's hard being a kid. You're trying to learn a sport. You're trying to figure out how to live in the world and be social.
And the other people out there who are more comfortable than you are for whatever reason are telling you that you're going to be put in a camp or jailed, kicked out of the country or that your parents are bad or that your parents are criminals because that's what the president said. That's what the vice president said.
vice president said that you eat dogs and cats like right and isn't that crazy like little racist bullies on the soccer field are just taking their racist jokes from the vice president My kids are crying because other kids are repeating what the president and vice president said about them. It's fucking sick. It's sick and it's wrong. And we are, we should be better than this.
And I know that we aren't right. And I know that it like feels cliche and corny to be like, I wish some Republicans would say something. But I do. I wish people would still say something because it makes me mad and we should aspire to be better. And as you'll hear at the end of the pod, Sarah McBride wants us to be better.
And so I figured I could model that a little bit by talking about it still, even though I'm in year 10 of being Maude Flanders at this point. So. Stick around for Sarah McBride. It's great. Thank you for navigating a few crackles and pops in the audio. And we've got some more good ones coming for you later in the week. Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller.
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Chapter 3: How does Sarah McBride describe the impact of Trump's words on children?
We can. Thanks to Trump. And it might be it might be apt. Let's talk about something nobody wants to talk about except my mother. What happens when you die? Because unfortunately, it's going to happen to all of us. Even Trump was thinking about his mortality at his lunatic Davos speech today.
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I think many of us are learning about this in real time. I've been to Copenhagen once. I don't know a ton about Denmark's government. I don't know a ton about Greenland. We're learning. I'm sure you're learning. I'm wondering what were your interesting takeaways from those conversations?
I know you have some thoughts about the CODEL. I heard your conversation with Bill.
Yeah, I suppose about the Republicans, the quote unquote Republicans on the CODEL. Lisa Murkowski was like, Chris Coons planned this. It was such a short time and no wonder no Republicans could make it because it was such a short turnaround. And I'm like, I think if a couple of Republicans wanted to go real Republicans, not Lisa Murkowski and retiring Republicans, they could have.
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Chapter 4: What insights does Sarah McBride share from her recent CODEL?
She was a really like a pioneer in gay rights activism. You know, when I was growing up in Colorado and, And she was pushing back on me pretty hard, like on this and saying, like, no, this is actually an important question because we need to protect women only spaces and there need to be rules around this. And so I I take that.
I don't know what is anybody's heart, but I I take that feedback more than I take the feedback from a Daily Wire podcaster who's just trying to get clicks, you know. And so I just I do wonder what your reaction would be to something like that.
Well, I think I got to that in the response that I gave you, which is like, let's be clear about the motivation for the question being asked in the way it's being asked in the format that it's being asked in, which is clearly an effort to score a point on the backs of trans people while recognizing that there are people who have
Good will and good intentions and have questions and want to understand and might be with me on on 80 percent of trans issues, but not with me on 20 percent of trans issues that those folks still might be curious about.
And frankly, that there are people who will want to know what to say if their family member asks that question or asks that question, again, in goodwill and person, not just completely shutting down the conversation. I think, you know, what I said earlier about like,
we can acknowledge that trans people exist that this is something that that is real and that trans people are deserving of being treated with dignity and respect and that trans identities trans reality has existed throughout human history across cultures this is not a new invention this is a reality of the the world we live in and of the reality of human diversity
and recognize that there are specific policy questions that people have diversity of thought on, and that we can engage in a reasonable conversation about those particular policy issues. And I think at the end of the day, for those who come to a different place on particular issues than some trans people,
the fundamental question that they're asking is do trans people think that there is a difference that, that trans women are identical to non-trans women and no two women are the same. Yes. Trans women have a different experience on average than a non-transgender woman.
And that there are differences in the lived experience in the policy questions in some cases for trans women versus a woman who's not, who wasn't born trans.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Trump's desire for Greenland?
I do think that it is easy for people to turn on the news, open social media and just think nothing is happening in Congress. And certainly not enough is happening in Congress. A lot of bad things are happening in Congress with these majorities. And there are some things that we are still able to do and we are still able to do together.
As I mentioned earlier, I have been able to introduce more bipartisan bills than any other freshman legislation. I was the first freshman to introduce legislation. It was legislation protecting people across this country from these so-called credit repair organizations that charge these large upfront fees on false promises. and end up doing nothing to actually repair a person's credit score.
That's a bipartisan bill I introduced one week after getting sworn in. I've introduced legislation supporting small businesses, upholding human rights internationally, legislation that expands workplace protections for folks who are out on family leave. We've been able to introduce legislation protecting Delaware farmers and lowering the costs for consumers at the grocery store.
I mean, and we've been able to get real investments for... my constituents, both investments, tens of millions of dollars in investments to critical projects here in Delaware, but also part of my job is doing constituent advocacy, the individual Delawareans who reach out to my office to get help with a tax refund or a veterans benefit or a social security check.
And in a year, we've gotten $4 million back to people. All of this comes together person by person, policy by policy to not only deliver tangible things for people, But in so doing, help to maintain people's faith that democracy can still deliver for them, that government can still work for them.
And while it's not enough, and while I certainly want a Democratic majority in November elected so that we can do big things, in this moment, we can't give up. on the possibilities for progress that are before us, even if they aren't grabbing headlines.
Because I think in this moment, the problem, one of the problems in our politics is that we have a trust and a faith deficit in one another and in government's capacity to do anything for the public good. And in this moment,
If we are to fight for democracy, if we are to fight for a system of government that is of the people and by the people and for the people, then we have to maintain two things. One, our faith that politics can be a force for good and progress, because in the absence of that, we turn to a politics of of anger attainment. and maintain our belief in one another.
Because democracy can only exist if we maintain our faith in other people's capacity to change. And that is hard, and we have every force in our society right now trying to push us apart, trying to tell us to give up on politics, on government, and on one another. And if that succeeds, the authoritarian forces that we see right now that have way too much power that will be their final victory.
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