Sarah McCammon

It's not just the fact of it, but it's falling below replacement.

And it does raise economic worries.

I guess the other thing I'll say that when it comes to, you know, when it comes to the idea of choices that people make, and particularly that women make, because, you know, women do sort of have sort of the final decision about this in most places.

There's this idea from,

the reproductive justice movement that I think is really worth thinking about.

And it's the idea that conversations around childbearing should focus on not only reproductive rights, but reproductive justice and not just

the option to not have a child, but the question about what kind of a situation, if a woman is thinking about this decision, whether or not to have a child, what kind of a situation is she making that in?

Does she have truly, does she have true political freedom?

Does she have true economic freedom as well as reproductive freedom?

And that decision might be yes or it might be no.

But the idea of the reproductive justice movement is that women should, people in general, and especially women, should exist in a society where those choices are truly free and where they're not constrained by things like lack of access to health care or lack of access to child care.

You know, I think there's probably a long way to go to get to that world, but it's something I think about a lot when I think about these conversations.

Not a good look.

Thank you, by the way, because no one else.

All the tools you need.

Sarah, what can't you like about?

Well...

My Can't Let It Go is actually about letting go because I am saying goodbye to this podcast and to NPR.

This has been in the works for a while, but I will miss you all, but it's time for a change for me.

So I will not be able to let go of many, many memories of working with both of you and so many wonderful people on this desk.