Sarah McCammon

And without Zelensky there. All right. It's time for a break. When we come back, more on how U.S. policy toward Ukraine has shifted in the new administration. And welcome back. I want to talk about the shift in rhetoric from the Biden administration to the Trump administration when it comes to providing aid and military support for Ukraine. Vice President J.D.

Vance spoke at the Munich Security Conference last week. As Greg mentioned, I just want to play a bit of that.

Vance spoke at the Munich Security Conference last week. As Greg mentioned, I just want to play a bit of that.

Vance spoke at the Munich Security Conference last week. As Greg mentioned, I just want to play a bit of that.

It was part of a larger broadside against what Vance characterized as Europe and European government's stifling of free speech. He suggested the U.S. would be less willing to help countries that were not aligning with his vision of promoting free expression. Now, Franco, this speech has raised alarm bells across Europe, as many took it as a further sign of the U.S. isolating itself.

It was part of a larger broadside against what Vance characterized as Europe and European government's stifling of free speech. He suggested the U.S. would be less willing to help countries that were not aligning with his vision of promoting free expression. Now, Franco, this speech has raised alarm bells across Europe, as many took it as a further sign of the U.S. isolating itself.

It was part of a larger broadside against what Vance characterized as Europe and European government's stifling of free speech. He suggested the U.S. would be less willing to help countries that were not aligning with his vision of promoting free expression. Now, Franco, this speech has raised alarm bells across Europe, as many took it as a further sign of the U.S. isolating itself.

What was the White House's objective with this speech?

What was the White House's objective with this speech?

What was the White House's objective with this speech?

Right. I mean, there's Trump's friendliness with Russia and on the same token, distance from our traditional allies in Europe. What does it mean for Ukraine's security if the U.S. suddenly decides to back off of its support for Ukraine, as we know some Republicans have called for for a long time?

Right. I mean, there's Trump's friendliness with Russia and on the same token, distance from our traditional allies in Europe. What does it mean for Ukraine's security if the U.S. suddenly decides to back off of its support for Ukraine, as we know some Republicans have called for for a long time?

Right. I mean, there's Trump's friendliness with Russia and on the same token, distance from our traditional allies in Europe. What does it mean for Ukraine's security if the U.S. suddenly decides to back off of its support for Ukraine, as we know some Republicans have called for for a long time?

You know, Franco, I was so struck by what you said a moment ago about people in tears in the room as Vice President Vance was speaking. I mean, this is a historic shift. This is a departure from really the international order that's been in place since the end of World War II, shaped largely by the United States. I mean, where do either of you see this going?

You know, Franco, I was so struck by what you said a moment ago about people in tears in the room as Vice President Vance was speaking. I mean, this is a historic shift. This is a departure from really the international order that's been in place since the end of World War II, shaped largely by the United States. I mean, where do either of you see this going?

You know, Franco, I was so struck by what you said a moment ago about people in tears in the room as Vice President Vance was speaking. I mean, this is a historic shift. This is a departure from really the international order that's been in place since the end of World War II, shaped largely by the United States. I mean, where do either of you see this going?

The idea of spheres of influence for me begs the question of what are those spheres and where are the lines and who draws the boundaries?

The idea of spheres of influence for me begs the question of what are those spheres and where are the lines and who draws the boundaries?

The idea of spheres of influence for me begs the question of what are those spheres and where are the lines and who draws the boundaries?

All right. Well, we'll leave it there. I'm Sarah McCammon. I cover politics.