Sarah Nielsen

There is something that is facilitating that belief.

And I think that their thinking is just so black and white, harsh reality.

They expect the same from us.

I'm not going to I'm not going to shame them for believing that.

But just like Mickey said, we're going to explore it, you know.

I've experienced that years and years ago when I was working with teenagers and rehab.

Very early in my career, I had a kid who was it was heroin as well.

And the kids wanted the parents, pardon me, the parents wanted to pull him from treatment.

And I said, this like this is bad.

You know, he can die.

I'm like, your kid can either be mad at you and alive or.

or the opposite.

And she pulled him from therapy and he died that weekend.

I think there's a large assumption.

So about therapists that we've had privileged lives because of our education and our position.

And, you know, I use the phrase I don't come from sunshines and rainbows.

I came to this field for a reason because I've experienced hardships and I've done the work emotionally, therapeutically and, you know, kind of pulled myself up.

But I think, too, this very much exemplifies kind of going back to Ryan's question about, you know, why conservative therapists are good or not good, whichever direction you want to come at that is, you know, you notice even just the balance of thought in this room.

It's not coming from emotion mind.

And that's where I'm at most of the time is I'm coming from logic mind.