Sarah Paine

But he's so desperate.

So in that case, the West doesn't like to pay people.

So instead of paying them a low price, the West is paying them a high price to back off.

In China, I suspect it'll be the opposite.

They pay him less and less for whatever it is he wants.

If he really corners himself, continues to corner himself in Ukraine, that these terms of trade will get more and more in China's favor.

Well, but like... If that's how you wind up.

Oh, it's the other way around.

That's what Russia's future may be.

And apparently, certain Russians, when Putin had invaded the big way in Ukraine, said, oh, my God, that's our future.

It's North Korea.

That's where we're headed.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that could well be their future.

They'll just keep going as they pour out wealth, and the Chinese will try to get very good terms of trade for resources and be niggardly, meaning they'll give very few things back.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

In Germany, he's trying to run the same script on.

Right.

And he thinks that this is going to work for him, but that's what the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is about.

And...