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Sarah Paine

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Well, Mao doesn't like that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

He's got a cult of personality.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

He doesn't want to do things like that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And then Khrushchev is interested in peaceful coexistence with the West, or at least nominally, whereas Mao is in the midst of the Cultural Revolution, which is based on a virulently anti-Western foreign policy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And then they're forever squabbling about who's aiding North Vietnam in the Vietnam War and who's going to get credit for it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So all of that's going on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Now, Khrushchev has his own gripes about the Chinese.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

He looks around at the United States.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

The United States has got basing all over the world.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Its allies allow the United States to have bases.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And China has hardly any Russian bases, these leftover concession areas, and China wants them back.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And Khrushchev can't understand this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And then what he really can't understand are the two Taiwan Strait crises of 1954 and 1958, where Mao starts lobbying ordinance on nationalist islands that are very close to mainland shores.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Khrushchev is apoplectic because Mao hasn't given him any advance warning.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And by the way, this sort of thing could trigger some of the security clauses of the Sino-Soviet friendship treaty with nuclear follow-on effects.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And while this is going on, Khrushchev wants to have a combined sub-fleet vase.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

If we're going to take all these risks, we need to have subs in different places.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Mao says, no way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And then Khrushchev is fed up and said, well, you're not going to get the plans for the atomic bomb.