Sarah Paine

It's one of the few things that the Taiwanese and the PRC agree on, that he's the founding father of modern China, and it's positive what they think about him.

Remember when I told you on the Russo-Japanese War how they're paying for everything in Manchuria?

that the Chinese actually thought that that one, that it would be a good thing.

Also understand when the Manchus lose, it's in Chinese, the war is called the Qing Japanese War, Manchu Japanese War.

So the Japanese are defeating the Manchus, who you may not particularly like if you're a Han nationalist.

So you can relate to that.

And the Japanese were not...

Well, they got in and out of that thing.

And so I think that's the key.

And the really, really, really ugly, brutal stuff is going to happen in the Second Sino-Japanese War, where the Japanese do things that are unforgivable.

The problem for...

The first Sino-Japanese War, it's detonating Confucianism.

And so what's it going to replace that with?

Sun Yat-sen is going to do nationalism and work it that way.

But I think that's the big answer.

But you're quite right that as things went on, as it sinks in, that Japan is the dominant player in Asia, because first you have a war and that's happened, but you're

focusing on all your civil wars and other stuff, and it hasn't sunk in that this is not an exception, it's going to go on for a century, I suspect that it's gradual for the Chinese to get really upset about Japanese in particular.

And it's what they do in the Second Sino-Japanese War.

It's unbelievable.

Because when they start losing, they get brutal.