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Sarah Paine

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

warlord rule forever, and so how are you gonna extend central control to the countryside?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Really tricky.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

I suspect that's why he puts them on communes, because it lines up with communism, but it also lines up with party control, because if you put all this vast population, because most people are peasants, on communes, then you control whether they eat or don't.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

You truly control them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

So it's those factors.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

It's so big.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

When you start putting a policy in place from Beijing and then how that actually fans out over the whole country, it's got to be a mess.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Different localities and things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Details, yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Well, first of all, Russia is quite a developed country compared to China.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

And if you think about it, Russia had been industrializing since the late 19th century.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

And China is a much later event.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Russia also has all sorts of institutions and things that China was lacking.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

So already Stalin has many more tools at his disposal than what the Chinese communists are going to have.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Also, the kind of warfare.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Think about the warfare in China.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

And you get the Taiping Rebellion.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

It's only the biggest of the peasant rebellions of the 19th century.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

And I can't remember, people estimate, I can't remember if it was 20 or 30 million people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

That's a large number, right?