Sarah Paine

Because I think World War II is supposed to be like 55 million.

So this is, there are a whole series of these peasant rebellions in the 19th century.

that go on for, I don't know, 25, 50 years.

One's here, one's there.

By the end of it, they've basically devastated parts of every province.

And then you overlay this with the warlords coming in and all of that, overlay that with the communist nationalist thing, overlay that with the Japanese.

You're talking about a massively trashed country.

And think about it.

I'll give you another example.

For Americans in the room,

and for others who aren't Americans, based on your dealings with Americans, this country had a civil war.

It ran, what, four or five years?

It was mostly in the South.

Northerners joined armies and then went to the South.

The institutions of government didn't change in Washington.

They certainly did in the Confederacy, but those were new things, right, because they were trying to secede.

And many, the losing side of that war still hasn't gotten over it, right?

So if that's what's going on here, and that thing wasn't nearly as brutal as the kind of civil wars, at the end of the civil war, who gets, Lee's army is allowed to go home.

They aren't shot on sight, which would be the kind of thing that went on in the Russian civil war, Chinese civil war.

So if that kind of bitterness and unsettledness