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Sarah Paine

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

The idea has traditionally that the Chinese believe there's only one civilization that would be theirs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

It's based on Confucianism.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

That would be a world order unto itself.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And that worked for them for a couple thousand years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And there are certain pillars of legitimacy that have endured, are probably originating this, but enduring one.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

and one is ethical rule well that's gone for the communist party let's try the next one economic prosperity whoops going fast that leaves the communists today with territorial expansion well that's ongoing with territory incursions into india south china sea island building and then all these gathering threats to taiwan and in part what's going on is the communist party wants everyone

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

He wants to play the nationalism card the same way Putin is.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

If you haven't gotten anything else for you, play jingoistic nationalism because we human beings can be particularly attentive to that one.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And so that if you focus on that, maybe the Chinese people won't look at the ethical lapses of the Communist Party or the fact that their paychecks aren't going anywhere anymore.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So good old Xi, he doesn't have a marketable ideology anymore.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And what's really scary is Confucianism had just been this enduring feature of China.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Dynasties came and went, but Confucianism stayed.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

until China was unable to fend off Japan in the first Sino-Japanese War that I told you about, and the Europeans in the Opium Wars, when all of a sudden Confucianism just seems totally inadequate.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And so when enough Chinese cease believing in Confucianism, that's when you get the 1911 revolution, and it just vanishes.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

as an organizing principle for running your government.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And this is the total nightmare.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

One of the frightening things for the Communist Party is when people cease believing in communism.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So when China's nightmare scenario is these horrible periods of chaos, they're afraid of if the communists go, that China's going to devolve into these civil wars, these periods of one.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And a second one is that maybe Russia or the Soviet Union, when it's shattered, that may well be their fate, that maybe these communist regimes can't last forever.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So Russia's nightmare scenario is other people invading Russia.