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Sarah Paine

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

China's nightmare scenario is the collapse of China.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

It's two different ways, two different things to worry about.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And the Chinese face a conundrum

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

If you no longer believe the economic theories on which communism is based, well, how do you justify one party rule?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And the Communist Party has tried to soldier on without solving that problem.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And the Chinese have, I think, learned a great deal from watching Russians as they play around with big ideas.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And I think they learned a great deal from Mikhail Gorbachev when he tries to fix communism, but he winds up killing the patient.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And the Chinese, I think, their takeaways from what Gorbachev did is, don't hesitate to deploy the tanks.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

If you got unrest in the streets, you just send tanks.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Tanks against civilians, it's a really quick fix.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

and you want to focus on economic reforms to the extent you can, certainly not political reforms, and you really want to sinify your minorities.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Why?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

In the Soviet Union, the Russians had had this fiction that all these occupied minority people

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

wanted to be there and had equal rights, and so they would sponsor all the nice folk dances and the language classes, and they'd have a bunch of token minorities in traditional dress and various political institutions, but basically they had no power.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

But it meant when the Soviet Union shattered, there were plausible divisions already set up on an ethnic basis, and that is how you get places like Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc.,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

China's like, no way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So this helps explain the genocide of the Uyghurs that's ongoing now.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

I think this is their rationale for doing it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And then what you want to do, and you can see Xi Jinping doing it, is you want to prioritize maintaining the monopoly of the Chinese Communist Party over economic efficiency when those two things run at cross purposes.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And that, I think, helps explain some of Xi Jinping's growth-depressing choices that he's making.