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Sarah Paine

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

What Gorbachev discovered when he tried to reform communism is that democracy and communism just don't mix.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

If you give people elections, they're going to support multiple parties.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Also, when the communist track record becomes known of incompetent economic management,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

summary executions, famines, just all the things that they've been up to.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

It's very hard for them to remain in power.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Also, as Gorbachev discovered, democracy and empire don't mix.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

When you give different minorities a choice of whether or occupy places, a choice to leave or stay, they bolt.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And there's a consensus among the Han, the preponderant ethnic group in China, that they want to maintain the empire.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So they don't care how many Tibetans immolate themselves, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

That's no longer going on now because the mortar has descended into Tibet.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And they don't care how many Mongols complain about lost lands.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

The Han want to keep it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Also, for the generation that survived the Cultural Revolution, which would be Xi Jinping, he's precisely that age group, they do not ever want to go back to the chaos, the Luan of the Cultural Revolution.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

It was horrendous.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So expect them to prioritize stability over liberty.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And this brings a third problem.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

If democracy and communism don't mix, and democracy and empire don't mix, okay, in an internet, cell phone age when people are much more interconnected, how does a government maintain legitimacy to rule?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Because elections are an incredibly powerful way to give authority to a government.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And this is where nationalism comes in.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And the Chinese Communist Party and the Russians likewise are trying to use jingoistic nationalism to stoke up popular loyalties and also to deflect people from domestic problems to go, oh, look at the hated outsiders, right?