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Sarah Paine

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

FranΓ§ois Mitterrand eventually found solace in expanding the European Union, European community to the European Union, when you're incorporating all these Eastern Bloc countries into it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

And he plays a really important role in concluding the Maastricht Treaty that forms the European Union.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

But Margaret Thatcher just plain lost.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

She was just upset about the whole thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

She said, Germany will be the Japan of Europe and worse than Japan.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

I guess she hadn't been to Japan lately.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

She said, the Germans will get in peace what Hitler couldn't get in war.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

And she wanted to leave Red Army troops.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

in Germany for the duration.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

Imagine if that had been the case and now dealing with Putin.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

If he had troops in Germany, we would be in trouble.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

But Bush and Cole worked around all of them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

And Bush said to Cole at the end of it, he said, look, I'm not going to beat my chest and dance on the Berlin Wall.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

Both of them were very careful never to humiliate Gorbachev about the Soviet loss of the Cold War.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

Why?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

Because they knew that if they did that, he might fall from power sooner rather than later.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

Also, they were afraid that if they did that, the hardliners would come to power much more rapidly than they actually did.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

It was 20 years before Putin started consolidating his power.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

And the new country...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

Newly independent countries of Eastern Europe needed those 20 years to integrate militarily, politically, economically with the West so that the cement could set before you got the Russians trying to destabilize them.