Sarah Paine

You're looking at the United States.

It's in a terrible depression.

You want to protect jobs here.

And so you raise these big tariff walls and then, okay, what's the other side of that going to do?

They're going to raise their tariff walls and pay you back.

What's that going to do?

It's going to cost a lot of American jobs.

If you play that game, you need to be talking with other people.

So, uh, once you have set the conditions, hot house conditions for fascists to take over,

In Germany and in Japan, you are in a world of hurt.

Well, yeah, it was.

What Roosevelt was really scared of was that the Japanese would attack Russia because then he thought Russia would fall.

And if Russia fell, he thought the Nazis would win.

So at least for the Japanese attack, they attacked us.

That was actually better than attacking Russia.

So the oil embargo, if you want to...

So let's say you don't do it and Japan never attacks us and then the Russians are down and you've got Nazis in control of the world, so it must be better?

You're not going to have an international system.

Oh, and the Nazis were gearing up because eventually they're going to fight us.

So this is another problem.