Sarah Paine

But boy, do they inflict pain.

And then, of course, you're doing it on usually an authoritarian regime that diverts as much of that pain as possible into the civilian population, and then uses that as an excuse to justify its rather brutal rule.

And I don't have the answer.

And the other piece is, so you're dealing with these expansionist powers with a limited toolkit.

And the question is which tool to use.

And I truly don't have the answer, but what you've, you've mentioned a really good counter argument.

And I've given you an argument and I don't know which of the rebuttal is the better one, honestly.

And I think the whole approach, this is another thing about what are you, you were asking what you're worried about, but here's something to help you with what you're worried about, is thinking in terms of arguments, counter arguments and rebuttal.

So you have an argument and

I have an argument.

And on this one, I'm not sure what the rebuttal is.

But it's a good way of thinking about things because it allows you to change your mind.

You may well be right.

Or I may be right.

Or maybe we're right in one country but another one.

I honestly don't know the answer.

Well, that worked well.

Yeah, right.

Well, actually, in the Gulf War,

Bush Sr.