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Sarah Paine

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And then during the Chinese Civil War, the Russians tell Mao, oh, stop, Yangzi, you need to take a little breather here, because he wants a divided China, like the divided Germany he has, and then the divided Korea he's going to get.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

You want to be surrounded by these little broken states around you if you're a continental power.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And then when Stalin dies and Mao wants to be senior statesman of communism, Khrushchev is appalled by that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

Then Mao is appalled when Khrushchev does de-Stalinization because Mao has his own cult of personality.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And then Khrushchev wants to do peaceful coexistence with the West while Mao is ramping it up in the Cultural Revolution.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

So there is no meeting of the minds.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And then all this becomes very public when it hits the propaganda press of the communists of the Sino-Soviet split in 1960.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

All right, the Russians have their own gripes about the Chinese, and here's how they go.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

The Russians look around at the West and particularly the United States and go, wow, they got bases everywhere.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

The British have got bases everywhere.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

How come our allies won't give us bases?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

I mean, well, if you occupy Eastern Europe, the whole place is a base, but that's a different matter.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

So the Russians want the Chinese to let them keep a couple of remaining Tsarist treaty ports, essentially.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

and wants to expand them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And the Chinese say, forget it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And in fact, after the Korean War, when the Chinese have troops all up in Manchuria, which is where these bases were located, and there's a succession struggle going on because Stalin's just died, the Russians have to return the bases because there's just too much bad stuff happening where they live.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And then what Mao does in 54 and 58,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

which just appalls the Russians, are these two Taiwanese strait crises.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

What's going on?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

Mao is lobbying all kinds of ordinance on these islands that are owned by Taiwan that are very close to the People's Republic's shores.