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Sarah Paine

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And the Russians are appalled.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

They are not consulted, and yet they have a friendship treaty that obligates them to provide, to join a war under certain circumstances.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And the Russians are going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, there could be nuclear follow-up from this stuff.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

So the Russians then ask the Chinese if it's okay if they have a combined naval base on China's shores, and China says, forget it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And the Russians are thinking, okay, well then we're not gonna give you any of the plans for the atomic weapon, and it all devolves.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

So there's no love lost on either side.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And then what exacerbates these tensions is the Vietnam War, where China wants influence over a neighbor, Vietnam, that is pretty typical,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

But Russia wants influence over Vietnam to do a pincer on China, which China doesn't like at all.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

Meanwhile, both of them want to prove their revolutionary credentials by aiding the Vietnamese, North Vietnamese.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

So Russia's aid needs to come by train over China, lest the United States sink at the good stuff if it goes by sea.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

So the Chinese...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

feel obliged to let it go through, but they're just hassling the Russians the whole time through.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

They take it apart, tear it apart, say it was from China, and the Russians are just apoplectic.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

So their relations are getting worse and worse and worse, and the squabbling is just incessant.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

So it's not surprising that the Sino-Soviet border war of 1969 breaks out during the Vietnam War.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And while all this is going on, this is one of the river islands, the Amur River forms much of their border, and this is one of the islands there, and there's much fighting over it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And the Russians come to us, the Americans, and say, is it okay if we nuke these people?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And the United States says, no, there's no way it's okay to nuke these people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

And Mao figures it out, the one that wants to nuke you, that's the primary adversary.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 1: The War For India (Lecture & Interview)

So prior to that moment,