Sarah Paine

And I will do everything I can for every single one of them to catapult them as far forward as I possibly can.

So that's what it is.

Oh, not all my colleagues publish much of anything.

So it varies.

Yeah.

The Naval War College has always had a few very A-list people.

And the most famous person by far ever to work there is Alfred Thayer Mahan.

And he's 19th century.

Well, he dies early 20th century.

But he's the guy who, when the United States had been doing Manifest Destiny, a continental film,

continental paradigm because we're expanding, taking territory all the way to the Pacific.

And he's the guy who says, hmm, you know, power and position in the world really is about trade.

And he writes these enduring books that have lasted to the present.

So there are these occasional people like Alfred Thayer.

Mahan, who are very special.

And as for some cadre of anybody's, we're just professors.

We teach mid-level and senior officers, and then most of them never become flag rank.

We're the kind of leaders you're thinking about.

So, I mean, I've talked to the occasional flag officer, but I'm just a minion.

Oh, so I grew up during the height of the Cold War and listened to family dinnertime conversations all about it.