Sarah Paine

And then you listened to people describing the Russians as being totally evil.

And I thought, well, I'll learn more about this.

I'm curious.

And then I realized, whoa, it's just unbelievable how cruel the Russians have been to each other and others.

It's like they're a class by themselves.

I don't make it up.

And then the question is why and learning more about it.

And then in history, you do a minor field as well.

And I think the typical minor field for Russian history would be French or German.

I thought, no, I want to learn about China.

and just curious, and then learn about China.

And then I realized that Russia and China have relations, but then Japan always weighs in.

So then I had to learn more about Japan.

So that's where all of that led.

And then I also thought I don't want to be studying the United States.

That's where I'm from.

And I want to learn about other countries.

Also, my presumption is my bias would be pretty bad about the United States or things I wouldn't see.

I thought I'm going to study other places because I don't have any family ties.

I mean, I'm not a descendant of Russian immigrants or Chinese or Japanese immigrants, obviously.