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Sarah Paine

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

The Treaty of Vigun of 1858, the Treaty of Peking of 1860, what do they do?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

They cede to Russia large swaths of territory in Central Asia and the Pacific coastline.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And the Qing Dynasty, they're vague on geography.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

They're beset by these other things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

They don't understand that Europeans think these pieces of paper are permanent things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And they figure that once they put their house back in order, they're going to come back and get the territory later.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Okay, the second example of ruinous Russian mediation.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

that is going to keep China in turmoil.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So in the first Sino-Japanese War, Japan trounces China, boots them from their tributary in Korea, and then the Japanese also want some territory on the Liaodong Peninsula that isn't labeled very well there.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

But anyhow, what the Chinese do is they go to the Russians to help them

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

counterbalance Japan so that Japan doesn't take this territory, Chinese territory in the Asian mainland.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Russia gets its buddies, France and Germany, the so-called triple intervention, to gang up on Japan, and Japan looks at it, three great powers, I don't think so.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So they bail.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So from the Chinese point of view, so far so good, except what the Russians promptly do is take for themselves the very territory that had just been denied to Japan, and the story gets worse.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Because all the European powers, or many of them, plus Japan come in and they carve out big concession areas throughout China so that China's not going to have full sovereignty over its territory for several generations, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So instead of one relatively small Japanese concession area, they get foreigners everywhere.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And so think about second rule, continental empire, no great power neighbors, not happening while this is going on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Well, the Bolsheviks come to power and then they're going to apply these rules as well.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

When they do come to power, they're very weak because Russia has been devastated by World War I. And then the Bolsheviks don't win their own bitter civil war until 1922.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And so then as now, they relied on a really cheap but incredibly effective strategy of strategic communication.