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Sarah Paine

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Khrushchev is apoplectic because Mao hasn't given him any advance warning.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And by the way, this sort of thing could trigger some of the security clauses of the Sino-Soviet friendship treaty with nuclear follow-on effects.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And while this is going on, Khrushchev wants to have a combined sub-fleet vase.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

If we're going to take all these risks, we need to have subs in different places.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Mao says, no way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And then Khrushchev is fed up and said, well, you're not going to get the plans for the atomic bomb.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Okay.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And the whole thing becomes public in 1960 with anger all around.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And the two, Russia and China, squabbled incessantly over the Vietnam War.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And the North Vietnamese were interested in getting maximum aid for both, from both, which it did.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And they begged the Chinese to allow the Russians to ship things over land through China and

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So the Chinese felt obliged to do it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

But the terms of that overland trade were just a food for all kinds of squabbling.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

It just didn't end.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

So the story of the reversal and the balance of power between Russia and China arose from multiple factors.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Doesn't happen all at once.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

It is both a story of China's rise and of Russia's decline.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And step one for China is getting its own atomic weapon.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

which it does in 1964 so that it can get itself free of Soviet bondage.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine โ€“ How Russia sabotaged China's rise

And so this is in 1964 after they've detonated that bomb where Mao goes, okay, there are too many places occupied by the Soviet Union.