Sarah Rainsford

And I think also that's why the case of Julia Chikatine and other prominent cases, I think, were so important because they did really start that debate.

And I think just to mention one particular thing, Julia's sister, Elena, she made a speech the day after the murderer was captured and she talked about

the fact that her sister's killer was not a monster because monsters are outside of society.

But she said that her sister's killer was of that society.

She said he was the healthy son of a patriarchy.

I think the interesting thing about this law is that politically it had cross-party support.

But the people who are critical, primarily that I've spoken to, are people who say it doesn't go far enough.

Not because the law doesn't go far enough, but because you can't legislate away something like femicide.

So there's a lot of discussion about the need for changes in the education system today.

here in Italy, and particularly the need for sexual and emotional classes, education in the curriculum.

And there's a current fight over that.

So the right wing of politics here doesn't want to allow sexual and emotional education in school as an obligatory or mandatory course.

They want that to be only optional for parents have to have to agree to it.

And they don't want it for younger children.

Yeah, she is, although she's not seen as a feminist, particularly here in Italy.

But yeah, she is a woman, of course, at the very top of Italian politics, a very powerful woman here.

And she did and does back this law.

The critics would say, though, this was gesture politics.

And this was the easiest thing that she and her party could do.

They point to the fact that there's no money attached to this law.