Sarah Rainsford

There are a few countries in the EU, very few, and a handful of countries worldwide.

So I think Italy definitely sees itself at the sort of vanguard of this.

And certainly I think Giorgio Malone's support for it, of course, helped push this through and create this law in the first place.

So I think it is interesting that it has become a cross-party thing, but certainly a law that was driven by women.

And then it was passed unanimously.

As the judge told me, the men were convinced to pass it.

The women led the way, she said.

I see.

I see.

Yeah, I don't think the problem here, despite what I originally thought when watching those TV news headlines when I first arrived in Italy, I don't think the problem here in this country is necessarily worse than anywhere else.

I think the statistics, it's very difficult to talk about statistics because every country defines this in different ways.

I think in Italy last year, there was around about 100 and I think it was 116 women who were murdered and the interior ministry decided by its own characteristics that 106 of those women had been murdered because

of their gender.

And that was before this law.

I think here we say it's one every three days, I think, in Italy.

And the vast majority of women who are killed in Italy are killed by a close relative or partner.

I don't think it's because Georgia Malone is a woman.

I don't think it's that facile.

I suppose the answer to the question is that because there's probably quite a lot of disagreement about whether having a standalone law on femicide actually makes a difference to the statistics, the jury is still out, if you pardon the pun, on whether or not it will actually make a difference to the number of women being killed in this country.

And I think most people who criticise the law or who welcome it but think things need to go further would say that the problems are much more deep-rooted and just labelling something femicide doesn't...