Sarah Wilson

And so what is happening in South America or what's happening in the UK is going to affect all of us.

Well, in some ways, the best way to put it is to say collapse looks like what we're in.

And instead of kind of getting better, which I think a lot of people have this sense that we're going to return to some sort of sense of normal, some sense of order once again, that ain't going to happen according to most of the modelling done in think tanks and institutes around the world.

Instead, it's going to get worse.

a little bit worse, and then a little bit worse.

So this, but worse.

When I say this, I'm talking about fragmentation, the collapse of democratic institutions.

7% of the world, only 7% of the world today lives in a liberal democracy.

And that percentage is likely to decrease over coming years.

It's going to look like increased AI threat and nuclear threat.

It's going to look like trade route disruptions.

It's going to look like energy disruptions and internet disruptions.

And you mentioned the word collapsology, which is interesting because that's a French word, a Frenchified word.

It's called collapsology or le frondement over in France.

And in Europe, which is where I'm based now, this is a term that's actually discussed on morning television programs.

It's not an alien notion.

The EU issued an edict to all leaders last year to inform 450 million citizens of the EU to prepare a survival kit in the event of some collapsing existential risk, so nuclear war or otherwise.

It is actually quite, I think, a fresh new phenomenon here in Australia.

Yeah.

We have been, I think, cocooned from a lot of what is happening around the world.