Sasha Sagan

Like anything, traditions, rituals, religions, they have to mutate in order to survive. And so I think change is inevitable. And it's not so much a scale to me of more religious or less religious necessarily. It's that it's going to change over time. It's going to reflect the moment. What are the changes we want to make? What is the future that you want to...

Like anything, traditions, rituals, religions, they have to mutate in order to survive. And so I think change is inevitable. And it's not so much a scale to me of more religious or less religious necessarily. It's that it's going to change over time. It's going to reflect the moment. What are the changes we want to make? What is the future that you want to...

to create for the next generation, whether you're secular or religious. And I think that if you're holding on like white knuckle, holding on to elements of a religion that divide, that belittle the people that are different, that cause violence, then you are not helping.

to create for the next generation, whether you're secular or religious. And I think that if you're holding on like white knuckle, holding on to elements of a religion that divide, that belittle the people that are different, that cause violence, then you are not helping.

to create for the next generation, whether you're secular or religious. And I think that if you're holding on like white knuckle, holding on to elements of a religion that divide, that belittle the people that are different, that cause violence, then you are not helping.

Yes, feeding people who are hungry.

Yes, feeding people who are hungry.

Yes, feeding people who are hungry.

Including people who are outcasts. Yes. That stuff doesn't seem like it's so... Centered. That has not been the main headline in the Christian nationalist movement. And I have a bone to pick with them about that. Yeah, I agree with that.

Including people who are outcasts. Yes. That stuff doesn't seem like it's so... Centered. That has not been the main headline in the Christian nationalist movement. And I have a bone to pick with them about that. Yeah, I agree with that.

Including people who are outcasts. Yes. That stuff doesn't seem like it's so... Centered. That has not been the main headline in the Christian nationalist movement. And I have a bone to pick with them about that. Yeah, I agree with that.

We're not on the same page. No. Yeah. I mean, it's a mirror, right? Religion, like anything, it's a mirror. You want a reason to feed the poor. You want a reason to do, you know, acts of kindness to build a hospital. You can find it. You want a reason to feel like you're better. Your little group is the one good group and everybody else can just suffer. Then you can find that too.

We're not on the same page. No. Yeah. I mean, it's a mirror, right? Religion, like anything, it's a mirror. You want a reason to feed the poor. You want a reason to do, you know, acts of kindness to build a hospital. You can find it. You want a reason to feel like you're better. Your little group is the one good group and everybody else can just suffer. Then you can find that too.

We're not on the same page. No. Yeah. I mean, it's a mirror, right? Religion, like anything, it's a mirror. You want a reason to feed the poor. You want a reason to do, you know, acts of kindness to build a hospital. You can find it. You want a reason to feel like you're better. Your little group is the one good group and everybody else can just suffer. Then you can find that too.

And I just think more and more it's, well, maybe always, but I think I see a lot of it is about identity and not about theology. It is, I mean, right, people who, like, identify really strongly with a group, but maybe not Haven't done the reading. You know, I think that is it. And that goes back to something very ancient and very tribal.

And I just think more and more it's, well, maybe always, but I think I see a lot of it is about identity and not about theology. It is, I mean, right, people who, like, identify really strongly with a group, but maybe not Haven't done the reading. You know, I think that is it. And that goes back to something very ancient and very tribal.

And I just think more and more it's, well, maybe always, but I think I see a lot of it is about identity and not about theology. It is, I mean, right, people who, like, identify really strongly with a group, but maybe not Haven't done the reading. You know, I think that is it. And that goes back to something very ancient and very tribal.

And like that, you know, we maybe there was some evolutionary advantage tens of thousands of years ago to be like we live in a band of 20 or 30 people and we got to just survive and we can't trust anybody else.

And like that, you know, we maybe there was some evolutionary advantage tens of thousands of years ago to be like we live in a band of 20 or 30 people and we got to just survive and we can't trust anybody else.

And like that, you know, we maybe there was some evolutionary advantage tens of thousands of years ago to be like we live in a band of 20 or 30 people and we got to just survive and we can't trust anybody else.